Saturday, December 14, 2002 (#348)
- what: log of ICQ conversation between Bubba and Woozle
woozle 12/14/02 8:25 AM finally figgered out why audio file uploads
kept stalling -- there must be a disk quota on
RDA's account. Unfortunately, my password to
change the quota has been mislaid and I'll
have to jump thru some hoops to recreate
woozle 12/14/02 8:28 AM fixed it.
Bubba 12/14/02 8:51 AM mornin
woozle 12/14/02 8:52 AM mawnin shug
Bubba 12/14/02 8:52 AM thank you
Bubba 12/14/02 8:53 AM for the site stuff
woozle 12/14/02 8:53 AM yr welky, as Anna might say
woozle 12/14/02 8:54 AM now uploading lo-fi MP3s, which I thot might
get something up there for all trax sooner
Bubba 12/14/02 8:54 AM kewl
Bubba 12/14/02 8:55 AM I've promised to go help a friend build some
walls of their house today
woozle 12/14/02 8:56 AM k
woozle 12/14/02 8:56 AM Did you get my Qs last night about MT06?
Bubba 12/14/02 8:56 AM but L will be here and she's gonna winpopup me
stuff to send to you before I leave
Bubba 12/14/02 8:56 AM MT06 - looking
Bubba 12/14/02 8:59 AM the 06 box in your room has 2 pegasus but only
woozle 12/14/02 8:59 AM that's what the inventory list shows
woozle 12/14/02 9:00 AM let me send you a list, and you check off
which items are in each version of MT06...
Bubba 12/14/02 9:00 AM so you did inv that box
Bubba 12/14/02 9:00 AM k
woozle 12/14/02 9:01 AM Let's call the one in the trailer MT06-2002
and the office one MT07-2002 -- you got a pen
to relabel with?
Bubba 12/14/02 9:02 AM y
Bubba 12/14/02 9:02 AM the others are 2002 - #
woozle 12/14/02 9:05 AM MT-KU-02-1X Blue Dragon (eXtra Large T-shirt)
MT-KU-02-3X Blue Dragon (3x eXtra Large
MT-AJ-101-1X Blue Sea Rising (eXtra Large
MT-AJ-101-L Blue Sea Rising (Large T-shirt)
MT-AJ-101-2X Blue Sea Rising (2x eXtra Large
MT-AJ-101-3X Blue Sea Rising (3x eXtra Large
MT-MJ-64-1X Pegasus (eXtra Large T-shirt)
MT-MJ-64-2X Pegasus (2x eXtra Large T-shirt)
MT-MJ-62-3X Dragon Lair (3x eXtra Large
MT-RW-8-2X Among the Pines (2x eXtra Large
MT-RW-8-3X Among the Pines (3x eXtra Large
MT-RW-8-M Among the Pines (Medium T-shirt)
MT-RW-8-1X Among the Pines (eXtra Large
MT-AJ-103-3X Night Watch (3x eXtra Large
MT-AJ-103-2X Night Watch (2x eXtra Large
MT-AJ-103-1X Night Watch (eXtra Large T-shirt)
MT-RW-8-L Among the Pines (Large T-shirt)
MT-KU-04-1X Black Dragon (eXtra Large T-shirt)
MT-AJ-037-TLS/2X White Magic (2x eXtra Large
MT-JC-03-1X Last Words (eXtra Large T-shirt)
woozle 12/14/02 9:06 AM I've noticed that locations tend to sort in a
confusing way when the year comes first, so
I'm changing the names to NAME-YEAR instead of
woozle 12/14/02 9:06 AM but I'm leaving them as YEAR-NAME in the db
until the new name has actually been written
on the box
Bubba 12/14/02 9:07 AM The quick brown fox...etc..etc...etc...
woozle 12/14/02 9:08 AM I'm sure that's related... somehow...
Bubba 12/14/02 9:10 AM This is me...Lynne...at my own computer. As
in... not the one where Bubba is sitting...and
I am seeing if I can talk to Bubba or You from
here... Evidently, my message about the fast
fox reached NC, eh?
Bubba 12/14/02 9:13 AM My purpose in trying to initiate this was to
send messages through Bubba to you in my own
words... My original thought was to tell you
how wonderful the Audio clip section looks and
to thank you so much for the time and effort
that you obviously put into it....L.
woozle 12/14/02 9:14 AM yes, got the fox test msg...
woozle 12/14/02 9:16 AM You're welcome re the web site. It's About The
Music, and all that... I really don't mind
doing it; I only mind being held to deadlines
I wasn't involved with planning and that sort
of thing. And if I ever say "It'll be a piece
of cake", that should be understood to mean
"assuming everything works the way it should,
given the present set of expectations" --
either that, or I'm not paying attention to
what you're asking...
Bubba 12/14/02 9:20 AM In retrospect... I think it was the latter...
because I also asked specifically... if you
would be willing and able to do it by 5:00
last Saturday... and you said, yes. As time
went on this week... I began to realize that
you felt I was prodding you to hurry up and do
something that you felt you hadn't been asked
to do... If I hadn't made commitments based on
what you had maybe unwittingly agreed to... I
would have just said nevermind... I'm really
sorry for the misunderstanding...
woozle 12/14/02 9:23 AM Well, I do remember Saturday being a deadline
-- I was planning to do this stuff Friday
afternoon, possibly Saturday morning.
woozle 12/14/02 9:24 AM I suppose it's just as well I started on it
earlier, cuz I'd forgotten how long the files
would take to upload -- but then again, if I
had turned my full attention to it, I might
have thought to check the disk quota _first_
instead of the next morning...
woozle 12/14/02 9:25 AM "if I had turned my full attention to it"
being something that would have happened if
I'd done all my stuff first and not had it on
my mind while trying to do the CD stuff, as
opposed to being kinda pushed into the CD
stuff before I was done with my stuff.
Bubba 12/14/02 9:25 AM It was last Saturday that I was talking
about... A massive email was scheduled to go
out this past Monday... that's where the
confusion must have come in.. as in "Which
Saturday?" each of us were talking about...
woozle 12/14/02 9:27 AM Last Saturday? Sho nuff, I don't remember
that. Or maybe because of the power outage, I
just figured all bets were off and crossed it
off my list.
woozle 12/14/02 9:27 AM I certainly never put it in my "formal" to-do
woozle 12/14/02 9:28 AM (power outage combined with my main computer
being down for the count, I should say)
Bubba 12/14/02 9:28 AM The other misunderstanding was in the number
of tracks I was thinking you were going to
do... I didn't think you would be able to
upload the whole CD like you did... I had only
asked for "A Chance for Peace" and "Merry
Christmas America..." This whole thing has
evidently taken place with each of us speaking
Bubba 12/14/02 9:31 AM I'm told that the universe is perfect and that
all things will work together for the best if
we try to breathe through it... My breathing
has tried to slide into a wild panting kind of
a thing from time to time... but I'm still
hopeful about the universe and all....
woozle 12/14/02 9:32 AM If you put that (about which trax you wanted)
in an email, I haven't gotten to it yet --
which is in turn because of the down-time
causing the huge backlog in my email
processing. If you only said it to me, it's
unlikely I'd be able to remember it in a pinch
(such as doing stuff in a hurry last thing
before bedtime). If you put it in an ICQ, then
I'm surprised I don't remember it.
Bubba 12/14/02 9:37 AM These conversations took place when you were
here last Friday... Up untilTuesday or
Wednesday... we thought Sven was going to do
this... Then Bubba was trying to do it,
himself, and when he ran into problems... we
were trying to reach you to get help for him
to continue the process... We couldn't reach
you... and couldn't reach you... and then got
an email that you were almost here.... When
you got here... we explained the situation...
There was alot going on... I was prepared to
continue to frantically look for help
elsewhere. I understood that things were
really crazy for you...
woozle 12/14/02 9:42 AM Ok... well, to the best of my recollection I
never took on that Saturday as a personal
deadline; I only agreed to help Bubba get it
up as soon as possible given the other things
I had to do. I do remember it being a deadline
woozle 12/14/02 9:43 AM And then I remember _this_ Saturday being a
deadline because the show was going to air,
sometime in the afternoon presumably (around
when the original show was supposed to air but
didn't), which to my mind meant that I had all
day Friday and Saturday morning to work on it.
woozle 12/14/02 9:44 AM I think the confusion over the audio clips
arose because when I was saying "not now not
now" to B a day or two ago, he said "well
can't you at least get the audio clips up?",
and not having remembered that there was a
request for just 2-3 specific clips, I
pictured "audio clips" as the way I thought it
should be done, i.e. all of them...
Bubba 12/14/02 9:46 AM I was actually a bit surprised that you agreed
to do it... I thought it must be because it
wasn't as hard for you as it would have been
for someone with less experience... I also
thought that alot of what would be done...
would be done by Bubba, with explanations and
instructions from you... from time to time.. I
knew the sound clips would have to be all
you... but that's what you said would be a
peice of cake... at which time I asked if
you'd be willing to do them and if you could
have them up before the show was supposed to
air at 5:00... Of course... I also said I was
only talking about the 2 tracks... So again...
the language thing and the fact that you may
have been trying to paralell process and
though it wasn't obvious to me... it was an
unsuccessful attempt... Obviously.. this has
been tough thing for both of us and it's too
late to undo what's gone down so far...I will
apologize, once more, for my part in the
Bubba 12/14/02 9:50 AM The clips still stick and stammer the way they
did when I first checked on them... Could it
be that there is just too much data going on?
If we need to go back to the idea of just 2-4
tracks total... I could easily live with
that... What do you think?
woozle 12/14/02 10:00 AM had a little problem there with ICQ refusing
to reconnect... had to reboot Beaker (our
woozle 12/14/02 10:00 AM Will re-read your last 2 msgs, which I saved.
woozle 12/14/02 10:03 AM With the extra context you have now provided,
I think I remember saying "piece of cake". I
remember thinking that encoding them was a
piece of cake, and that I could just leave
them uploading overnight. Actually finding the
files to encode turned out to be a bit more of
an ordeal than expected, and then Gonzo
wouldn't let me play audio so I could make
sure to use the correct mix of "Remember" --
so I spent extra time fighting with Gonzo to
get him working, which is where the "if
everything works as expected, given [my
understanding of] the present set of
expectations..." comes in.
woozle 12/14/02 10:04 AM If Bubba could have reminded me that only 2
tracks were needed, that would have been
helpful, but I suppose he didn't realize I was
planning to do the whole CD (because I didn't
remember anything else having been discussed,
at least not recently enough to think that
that was what "get the audio clips up" was
woozle 12/14/02 10:05 AM But in any case, my negative energy about that
Bubba 12/14/02 10:08 AM I guess we can be thankful for that...In
looking back at what was said and by whom and
when... It should be no surprise to any of us
that it happened in the same week that the
political version of "Who's on first" was
Bubba 12/14/02 10:14 AM hey
Bubba 12/14/02 10:15 AM is B
woozle 12/14/02 10:15 AM Finishing up what I was saying to Lynne...
Bubba 12/14/02 10:15 AM k
Bubba 12/14/02 10:15 AM I'm gonna set her up w/an ICQ account
woozle 12/14/02 10:16 AM Sounds like a good ideer.
Bubba 12/14/02 10:20 AM bak to lynne
Bubba 12/14/02 10:20 AM I'll set her up later
Bubba 12/14/02 10:20 AM I was just gonna ask
Bubba 12/14/02 10:20 AM are we planning to get all the orders through
monday into the flow so they all get to the
customer in tome?
woozle 12/14/02 10:22 AM What I was going to say to Lynne (perhaps you
could email it to her?):
I was mainly perturbed by this sequence of
1. I agree to help out with making last-minute
changes to the web site. I had a small but
significant level of irritation at that point,
due to things like (a) the fact that this
kinda rearranged both B's and my priorities
unexpectedly, and (b) the fact that the site
had been reorganized without my input -- not a
problem in itself, but now I was having to fix
something which (to my mind) hadn't been
2. I agree to get the rest of the changes up
by Saturday (today). At that point, I
understood the necessary changes to be mainly
small tidy-up and inserting text from Word
docs. I understood the audio trax to be
something which could happen later if need be,
though at that time I didn't see any problem
with getting them online by Saturday
3. Thu/Fri, B starts leaning on me to get the
changes made -- while I'm in the middle of
trying to get my priorities taken care of to
get cash flowing again ASAP. Saturday noon
being a shipping deadline up here (PO closes
at noon on Sat.) At that point, the necessary
changes don't seem like they would take more
than 30-60 mins to get an accepatable site
going, with perhaps another 60 minutes of
4. Thursday evening I still am not able to get
to the revisions -- but there's all of Friday
and half of Saturday, so what's the problem.
But no, "at least get the audio clips up".
This represents a change of direction from
what I understood; have to go find the audio,
encode it if necessary, and start the upload.
So I did what I could and was able to get
things moving -- but in a kind of
half-prepared way, and Friday a.m. the files
still aren't finished (I don't remember what
the issue was then), where if I had been
5. And finally, Friday everyone's still
worrying about getting the site revisions
online, when the deadline is still 12-24 hours
away, and I've just been diverted to work on
the most time-consuming part of it (the
So I hope that explains my irritation... Which
by now is fairly minimal, cuz things are under
woozle 12/14/02 10:23 AM orders/flow... thinking...
woozle 12/14/02 10:23 AM caint dew sheeyit until some money hits the ST
woozle 12/14/02 10:24 AM ...so I was focussing on processing orders
what we gots stock for, so as to add to the
pile in the queue.
woozle 12/14/02 10:25 AM We dodged the bullet with the bank; our
balance was negative 49 cents yesterday, and I
guess they don't charge an NSF if it's
negative by less than a dollar or something,
cuz they didn't... gonna check and see what it
woozle 12/14/02 10:26 AM Or, rather, negative 46 cents, which it still
is today. (yay.)
Bubba 12/14/02 10:26 AM will $ hit monday or should I put some in
woozle 12/14/02 10:26 AM And there's about $35 in the queue, so there
shouldn't be any further NSFs. (yay again)
woozle 12/14/02 10:27 AM Several hundred in the pipeline but not yet in
the queue, so Mon or Tues we should be able to
woozle 12/14/02 10:28 AM How odd... they actually _did_ charge a $30
NSF, but then they reversed and put it back
woozle 12/14/02 10:28 AM Maybe they saw the cc deposit in the queue.
Bubba 12/14/02 10:28 AM IF I HAD THE MONEY TO PLACE ORDERS, WOULD I
GET IT BACK OUT OF THE FIRST MONIES BACK IN
CUZ IT IDDN"T MINE AND I HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK
BUT I CAN USE IT TILL I HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK
woozle 12/14/02 10:29 AM No need to shout...
Bubba 12/14/02 10:29 AM more clearity than shouting
woozle 12/14/02 10:29 AM I don't want to promise that money invested
would come back out. Two or 3 times I've
borrowed from S thinking that I could pay it
back -- and then something happens lilke Dead
Bears or FedEx charges and suddenly I can't.
Bubba 12/14/02 10:30 AM I'd just really really need it back and this
seems like a safe time to do it. No back
orders and if you prerun the cards before we
Bubba 12/14/02 10:31 AM itshould be back before Christmas
woozle 12/14/02 10:32 AM That's what I keep thinking, but it only
happens about one time in 4.
Bubba 12/14/02 10:32 AM at Christmas?
woozle 12/14/02 10:33 AM There's at least as much screwy stuff going on
now as at any other time of year.
woozle 12/14/02 10:34 AM when is your BBT check card supposed to
Bubba 12/14/02 10:34 AM few more days 7 business and it's been 5
woozle 12/14/02 10:34 AM schpifhphy
woozle 12/14/02 11:24 AM Take a look at the tracks now (tell Lynne)...
I've got one streaming MP3 up, and it seems to
work... on my system, it downloads about 2/3
of the way and then plays all the way thru
with no interruption.
Bubba 12/14/02 6:37 PM Hey Nick...
Bubba 12/14/02 7:32 PM LUCY...I'M HOOOOOMMMME
Bubba 12/14/02 8:29 PM how-D
Bubba 12/14/02 8:43 PM froogle.com goes to froogle.google.com
Bubba 12/14/02 8:44 PM then do a search for vbz.net and then choose
to look at everything from vbz.net
Bubba 12/14/02 8:45 PM it's severely limited but hell they have some
of our catalog in their db
Bubba 12/14/02 8:46 PM a chunk of it is Flores $600 stuff
Bubba 12/14/02 9:18 PM NIIIIIIUUUUCKKKKK
Bubba 12/14/02 9:21 PM brb
woozle 12/14/02 9:22 PM back, briefly
Bubba 12/14/02 9:27 PM bk
Bubba 12/14/02 9:27 PM filling my trough
Bubba 12/14/02 9:31 PM the site looks good. TY
woozle 12/14/02 9:35 PM kewel
woozle 12/14/02 9:36 PM was over on Gonzo... you had some duplicate
Bob images under \Jimi; had to tell the db
these are not the droids you are looking
woozle 12/14/02 9:36 PM now running image pre-processing b4 attempting
to run rebuild I had started before the lights
Bubba 12/14/02 9:42 PM Lynne is just going nuts in the site
Bubba 12/14/02 9:42 PM playing song after song
woozle 12/14/02 9:43 PM glad the MP3 streaming is working... it's nice
to be free of RealAudio's adfest...
Bubba 12/14/02 9:43 PM she must have said..."You seen this?" and
shows somebody a page
Bubba 12/14/02 9:43 PM RA - rt
woozle 12/14/02 9:43 PM going up to slepe now...
woozle 12/14/02 9:43 PM tty tomorry
Bubba 12/14/02 9:44 PM OK I'll be doing the building a house thing
tomorrow so I may not talk to you till the
woozle 12/14/02 9:44 PM k
Bubba 12/14/02 9:44 PM call me on my cell phone if you need me to
Bubba 12/14/02 9:44 PM desperately
Bubba 12/14/02 9:45 PM g'nite
Bubba 12/14/02 9:51 PM hey quick ?
Bubba 12/14/02 9:55 PM is the MP3 on the site high enough quality to
burn a CD from w/o losing much quality?
Bubba 12/14/02 9:56 PM if it is then we're giving away that which we
Bubba 12/14/02 9:57 PM is there a way to charge $1 per song for
downloads or is that picking the fields too
Bubba 12/14/02 10:15 PM Hey Nick...