2005-12-16 Mediation - Revision history

Woozle: /* Calculations */ dagnabbit, this line got left off too.

2007-03-03T01:01:35Z

Calculations: dagnabbit, this line got left off too.

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	-$ 9057.76		-$ 9057.76
	</pre>		</pre>
			So I would owe the Grievers 80% of negative $9057.76, i.e. they would owe me $7246.21.

	==So Anyway==		==So Anyway==

Woozle: /* Calculations */ oops! total went away; restored it.

2007-03-03T00:58:05Z

Calculations: oops! total went away; restored it.

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	+$1,344.01		+$1,344.01
	+$ 320.51 (half of 641.01)		+$ 320.51 (half of 641.01)
			----------
			-$ 9057.76
	</pre>		</pre>

Woozle: /* Calculations */ format tweaks & rephrasings for clarity

2007-03-03T00:56:08Z

Calculations: format tweaks & rephrasings for clarity

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	* I will assume that cost of shipping from supplier to vbz is included in the "cost of merchandise", and that the cost of shipping from vbz to the customer is deducted from the sale price. So (for example) if it cost $2 to send each of those 8 shirts, then each one only counts as $18, for a total of ($18 x 8 =) $144, leaving a profit of only $24 to be split up.		* I will assume that cost of shipping from supplier to vbz is included in the "cost of merchandise", and that the cost of shipping from vbz to the customer is deducted from the sale price. So (for example) if it cost $2 to send each of those 8 shirts, then each one only counts as $18, for a total of ($18 x 8 =) $144, leaving a profit of only $24 to be split up.
	* I will assume that the example ~~is intended to illustrate a more general formula~~:		* I will assume that the following formula is correctly extrapolated from the single example given:
	{{quoteon}}		{{quoteon}}
	* C = cost of merchandise (including shipping)		<big>'''Xd = (R - C) * 0.8'''</big>
	* R = sales receipts (including amounts ~~paid towards~~ shipping)		* '''C''' = cost of merchandise (including shipping)
	* Xd = dollar amount to be disbursed to client (Grievers)		* '''R''' = sales receipts (including amounts for "shipping charges", and before credit card processing deductions)
			* '''Xd''' = dollar amount to be disbursed to client (Grievers)
	~~'''Xd = (R - C) * 0.8'''~~
	{{quoteoff}}		{{quoteoff}}

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	\|}		\|}
	</center>		</center>
	* '''NetGain''' = Receipts - Restocks - ShipCosts		* <big>'''NetGain''' = Receipts - Restocks - ShipCosts</big>
	* '''~~ShipCosts~~''' = ~~costs of shipping to customers~~		* '''Receipts''' = total amount paid by the customer
	* '''Restocks''' ~~includes costs~~ of shipping from ~~suppliers~~		* '''Restocks''' = cost of merchandise to vbz, including cost of shipping from supplier
	* '''~~Receipts~~''' = ~~amount paid by the customer (~~the credit card processor takes a 2.5-3.5% cut out of this before vbz gets it)		* '''ShipCosts''' = shipping charges stated to customers
			** <small>the credit card processor takes a 2.5-3.5% cut out of this before vbz gets it, but the formula calls for the amount paid by the customer rather than the amount actually received by vbz</small>

	The database didn't track all the necessary information prior to 2003 or so, so those figures are based on retroactively-entered paperwork, some of which is missing. Going on the assumption that it's close enough, however, we can add up the profits for each year in order to find out the net amount from which 80% would have been owed to the Grievers if we had actually had an agreement in effect to disburse sales in this way:		The database didn't track all the necessary information prior to 2003 or so, so those figures are based on retroactively-entered paperwork, some of which is missing. Going on the assumption that it's close enough, however, we can add up the profits for each year in order to find out the net amount from which 80% would have been owed to the Grievers if we had actually had an agreement in effect to disburse sales in this way:
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	+$ 320.51 (half of 641.01)		+$ 320.51 (half of 641.01)
	</pre>		</pre>

	==So Anyway==		==So Anyway==
	Next thing is to create a report which shows the details. In exchange for my producing this report, the Grievers have agreed to produce an inventory of what they have remaining in stock. I should have also asked for copies of all invoices and other paperwork in their possession, but oh well.		Next thing is to create a report which shows the details. In exchange for my producing this report, the Grievers have agreed to produce an inventory of what they have remaining in stock. I should have also asked for copies of all invoices and other paperwork in their possession, but oh well.

Woozle: /* So Anyway */ removed mysterious duplicate section

2007-03-03T00:32:58Z

So Anyway: removed mysterious duplicate section

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	==Status Update==		==Status Update==
	'''2007-03-02''' I never did get around to producing the report because there never was a second mediation date set. Had a date been set for mediation, I would have made sure to come prepared with the agreed-upon report for that session. (As far as I know, the Grievers did not produce the inventory they agreed to produce either; I certainly have not seen one.)		'''2007-03-02''' I never did get around to producing the report because there never was a second mediation date set. Had a date been set for mediation, I would have made sure to come prepared with the agreed-upon report for that session. (As far as I know, the Grievers did not produce the inventory they agreed to produce either; I certainly have not seen one.)

	~~==So Anyway==~~
	Next thing is to create a report which shows the details. In exchange for my producing this report, the Grievers have agreed to produce an inventory of what they have remaining in stock. I should have also asked for copies of all invoices and other paperwork in their possession, but oh well.

	~~I should note a couple of things:~~
	* If Lynne had come up with this sometime ''before'' things got acrimonious, I probably would have been fine with it -- although I certainly would have wanted it in writing, and I would also have insisted that various logistical details be spelled out, starting with exactly what it is that the Grievers ''do'' in order to earn their 80% of net, as well as specifically ''how'' they were to do it (see [[SvsG:Unanswered Questions\|Unanswered Questions]]).
	* It's also quite possible that Lynne actually did come to me and suggest this idea as a valid division of profit, and I might well have said it seemed reasonable. '''However''', "Yeah, that sounds reasonable" does ''not'' equate – in my mind, anyway – to a verbal promise, much less a binding contract. Again, I would definitely have wanted terms specified before actually agreeing to it (i.e. making any promises, much less binding agreements), so I find it difficult to believe that this could be considered a contract. (On the other hand, if they really ''want'' to owe me another $9k, who am I to blow against the wind?)

Woozle: /* So Anyway */ status update

2007-03-03T00:31:32Z

So Anyway: status update

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	+$1,344.01		+$1,344.01
	+$ 320.51 (half of 641.01)		+$ 320.51 (half of 641.01)
			</pre>
	==So Anyway==		==So Anyway==
	Next thing is to create a report which shows the details. In exchange for my producing this report, the Grievers have agreed to produce an inventory of what they have remaining in stock. I should have also asked for copies of all invoices and other paperwork in their possession, but oh well.		Next thing is to create a report which shows the details. In exchange for my producing this report, the Grievers have agreed to produce an inventory of what they have remaining in stock. I should have also asked for copies of all invoices and other paperwork in their possession, but oh well.

Woozle: /* So Anyway */ status update

2007-03-03T00:29:48Z

So Anyway: status update

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	+$1,344.01		+$1,344.01
	+$ 320.51 (half of 641.01)		+$ 320.51 (half of 641.01)
	==~~======~~==		==So Anyway==
	~~-$ 9057~~.76		Next thing is to create a report which shows the details. In exchange for my producing this report, the Grievers have agreed to produce an inventory of what they have remaining in stock. I should have also asked for copies of all invoices and other paperwork in their possession, but oh well.
	~~</pre>~~
	So I would ~~owe~~ the Grievers 80% of ~~negative $9057~~.76, i.e. they ~~would~~ owe me $~~7246~~.21.		I should note a couple of things:
			* If Lynne had come up with this sometime ''before'' things got acrimonious, I probably would have been fine with it -- although I certainly would have wanted it in writing, and I would also have insisted that various logistical details be spelled out, starting with exactly what it is that the Grievers ''do'' in order to earn their 80% of net, as well as specifically ''how'' they were to do it (see [[SvsG:Unanswered Questions\|Unanswered Questions]]).
			* It's also quite possible that Lynne actually did come to me and suggest this idea as a valid division of profit, and I might well have said it seemed reasonable. '''However''', "Yeah, that sounds reasonable" does ''not'' equate – in my mind, anyway – to a verbal promise, much less a binding contract. Again, I would definitely have wanted terms specified before actually agreeing to it (i.e. making any promises, much less binding agreements), so I find it difficult to believe that this could be considered a contract. (On the other hand, if they really ''want'' to owe me another $9k, who am I to blow against the wind?)
			==Status Update==
			'''2007-03-02''' I never did get around to producing the report because there never was a second mediation date set. Had a date been set for mediation, I would have made sure to come prepared with the agreed-upon report for that session. (As far as I know, the Grievers did not produce the inventory they agreed to produce either; I certainly have not seen one.)

	==So Anyway==		==So Anyway==

Woozle: /* Calculations */ fixed formatting

2007-03-03T00:22:05Z

Calculations: fixed formatting

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	\|-		\|-
	\| '''1999'''		\| '''1999'''
	\| ($478.35)		\| align=right \| ($478.35)
	\| $0.00		\| align=right \| $0.00
	\| $478.35		\| align=right \| $478.35
	\| $0.00		\| align=right \| $0.00
	\|-		\|-
	\| '''2000'''		\| '''2000'''
	\| ($5,173.09)		\| align=right \| ($5,173.09)
	\| $0.00		\| align=right \| $0.00
	\| $5,137.88		\| align=right \| $5,137.88
	\| $35.21		\| align=right \| $35.21
	\|-		\|-
	\| '''2001'''		\| '''2001'''
	\| ($5,070.84)		\| align=right \| ($5,070.84)
	\| $11,546.75		\| align=right \| $11,546.75
	\| $14,603.51		\| align=right \| $14,603.51
	\| $2,014.08		\| align=right \| $2,014.08
	\|-		\|-
	\| '''2002'''		\| '''2002'''
	\| $1,344.01		\| align=right \| $1,344.01
	\| $17,180.92		\| align=right \| $17,180.92
	\| $13,819.52		\| align=right \| $13,819.52
	\| $2,017.39		\| align=right \| $2,017.39
	\|-		\|-
	\| '''2003'''		\| '''2003'''
	\| $641.01		\| align=right \| $641.01
	\| $17,759.04		\| align=right \| $17,759.04
	\| $14,616.62		\| align=right \| $14,616.62
	\| $2,501.41		\| align=right \| $2,501.41
	\|}		\|}
	</center>		</center>
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	The database didn't track all the necessary information prior to 2003 or so, so those figures are based on retroactively-entered paperwork, some of which is missing. Going on the assumption that it's close enough, however, we can add up the profits for each year in order to find out the net amount from which 80% would have been owed to the Grievers if we had actually had an agreement in effect to disburse sales in this way:		The database didn't track all the necessary information prior to 2003 or so, so those figures are based on retroactively-entered paperwork, some of which is missing. Going on the assumption that it's close enough, however, we can add up the profits for each year in order to find out the net amount from which 80% would have been owed to the Grievers if we had actually had an agreement in effect to disburse sales in this way:
			<pre>
			-$ 478.35
			-$5,173.09
			-$5,070.84
			+$1,344.01
			+$ 320.51 (half of 641.01)
			==========
			-$ 9057.76
			</pre>
			So I would owe the Grievers 80% of negative $9057.76, i.e. they would owe me $7246.21.

	~~-$ 478.35~~
	~~-$5,173.09~~
	~~-$5,070.84~~
	~~+$1,344.01~~
	~~+$ 320.51 (half of 641.01)~~
	~~==========~~
	~~-$ 9057.76~~

	~~So I would owe the Grievers 80% of negative $9057.76, i.e. they would owe me $7246.21.~~
	==So Anyway==		==So Anyway==
	Next thing is to create a report which shows the details. In exchange for my producing this report, the Grievers have agreed to produce an inventory of what they have remaining in stock. I should have also asked for copies of all invoices and other paperwork in their possession, but oh well.		Next thing is to create a report which shows the details. In exchange for my producing this report, the Grievers have agreed to produce an inventory of what they have remaining in stock. I should have also asked for copies of all invoices and other paperwork in their possession, but oh well.

Woozle: /* What Happened */ missing words

2006-03-08T12:26:32Z

What Happened: missing words

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	[[Category:Dated Items]]		[[Category:Dated Items]]
	==What Happened==		==What Happened==
	Without giving away any "details", which the mediation agreement (of which I somehow don't have a copy, so I can't be quite sure), my guesses as to the Opposition's feelings about settling are much as I expected they would be, i.e. they are still convinced that they are the wronged party, and their settlement wishes are basically a mirror of my own.		Without giving away any "details", which are considered confidential under the mediation agreement (of which I somehow don't have a copy, so I can't be quite sure of what is protected), my guesses as to the Opposition's feelings about settling are much as I expected they would be, i.e. they are still convinced that they are the wronged party, and their settlement wishes are basically a mirror of my own.

	We're going to schedule another mediation date in January, and I need to put together an accounting of what they would have been owed if we had had a working sales agreement – which I will present with a statement that I didn't make any such agreement, so don't owe them the amounts it may show (see "So Anyway" below for more on this). The last time I did such an accounting, however, the amount they were owed was still much less than their debt to me... but Lynne apparently described (to the mediator, who described it to me) the accounting method by which she believes these things were to be figured... but I think it's even less favorable to them than my method was. I'm going to write it down here because I don't think I can reasonably be expected to consider it "confidential".		We're going to schedule another mediation date in January, and I need to put together an accounting of what they would have been owed if we had had a working sales agreement – which I will present with a statement that I didn't make any such agreement, so don't owe them the amounts it may show (see "So Anyway" below for more on this). The last time I did such an accounting, however, the amount they were owed was still much less than their debt to me... but Lynne apparently described (to the mediator, who described it to me) the accounting method by which she believes these things were to be figured... but I think it's even less favorable to them than my method was. I'm going to write it down here because I don't think I can reasonably be expected to consider it "confidential".

Woozle: /* So Anyway */ moved "how" details to Unanswered Questions

2006-03-04T12:34:37Z

So Anyway: moved "how" details to Unanswered Questions

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	So I would owe the Grievers 80% of negative $9057.76, i.e. they would owe me $7246.21.		So I would owe the Grievers 80% of negative $9057.76, i.e. they would owe me $7246.21.
	==So Anyway==		==So Anyway==
	{{sidenote\|* '''how they were to do it''': e.g. if their part is to place orders, then what's the time-frame? Are they responsible for producing the list of things to order? For catching errors in the list if I produce it? Are they responsible for errors they make in relaying the order to the supplier? For errors made by the supplier? These things all happen, they have a negative impact on the bottom line, and I would have wanted to protect vbz from that impact. I also would have wanted purchases of "close-outs" to fall under a different formula, as the up-front investment and profit margin are both substantially higher than regular orders.}}
	Next thing is to create a report which shows the details. In exchange for my producing this report, the Grievers have agreed to produce an inventory of what they have remaining in stock. I should have also asked for copies of all invoices and other paperwork in their possession, but oh well.		Next thing is to create a report which shows the details. In exchange for my producing this report, the Grievers have agreed to produce an inventory of what they have remaining in stock. I should have also asked for copies of all invoices and other paperwork in their possession, but oh well.

	I should note a couple of things:		I should note a couple of things:
	* If Lynne had come up with this sometime ''before'' things got acrimonious, I probably would have been fine with it -- although I certainly would have wanted it in writing, and I would also have insisted that various logistical details be spelled out, starting with exactly what it is that the Grievers ''do'' in order to earn their 80% of net, as well as specifically ''how'' they were to do it*.		* If Lynne had come up with this sometime ''before'' things got acrimonious, I probably would have been fine with it -- although I certainly would have wanted it in writing, and I would also have insisted that various logistical details be spelled out, starting with exactly what it is that the Grievers ''do'' in order to earn their 80% of net, as well as specifically ''how'' they were to do it (see [[SvsG:Unanswered Questions\|Unanswered Questions]]).
	* It's also quite possible that Lynne actually did come to me and suggest this idea as a valid division of profit, and I might well have said it seemed reasonable. '''However''', "Yeah, that sounds reasonable" does ''not'' equate – in my mind, anyway – to a verbal promise, much less a binding contract. Again, I would definitely have wanted terms specified before actually agreeing to it (i.e. making any promises, much less binding agreements), so I find it difficult to believe that this could be considered a contract. (On the other hand, if they really ''want'' to owe me another $9k, who am I to blow against the wind?)		* It's also quite possible that Lynne actually did come to me and suggest this idea as a valid division of profit, and I might well have said it seemed reasonable. '''However''', "Yeah, that sounds reasonable" does ''not'' equate – in my mind, anyway – to a verbal promise, much less a binding contract. Again, I would definitely have wanted terms specified before actually agreeing to it (i.e. making any promises, much less binding agreements), so I find it difficult to believe that this could be considered a contract. (On the other hand, if they really ''want'' to owe me another $9k, who am I to blow against the wind?)

Woozle: /* So Anyway */ sidebar -> sidenote

2006-02-05T17:50:44Z

So Anyway: sidebar -> sidenote

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	So I would owe the Grievers 80% of negative $9057.76, i.e. they would owe me $7246.21.		So I would owe the Grievers 80% of negative $9057.76, i.e. they would owe me $7246.21.
	==So Anyway==		==So Anyway==
	{{~~sidebar~~\|* '''how they were to do it''': e.g. if their part is to place orders, then what's the time-frame? Are they responsible for producing the list of things to order? For catching errors in the list if I produce it? Are they responsible for errors they make in relaying the order to the supplier? For errors made by the supplier? These things all happen, they have a negative impact on the bottom line, and I would have wanted to protect vbz from that impact. I also would have wanted purchases of "close-outs" to fall under a different formula, as the up-front investment and profit margin are both substantially higher than regular orders.}}		{{sidenote\|* '''how they were to do it''': e.g. if their part is to place orders, then what's the time-frame? Are they responsible for producing the list of things to order? For catching errors in the list if I produce it? Are they responsible for errors they make in relaying the order to the supplier? For errors made by the supplier? These things all happen, they have a negative impact on the bottom line, and I would have wanted to protect vbz from that impact. I also would have wanted purchases of "close-outs" to fall under a different formula, as the up-front investment and profit margin are both substantially higher than regular orders.}}
	Next thing is to create a report which shows the details. In exchange for my producing this report, the Grievers have agreed to produce an inventory of what they have remaining in stock. I should have also asked for copies of all invoices and other paperwork in their possession, but oh well.		Next thing is to create a report which shows the details. In exchange for my producing this report, the Grievers have agreed to produce an inventory of what they have remaining in stock. I should have also asked for copies of all invoices and other paperwork in their possession, but oh well.