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Woozle: /* 17:36 Nick to Bubba */ some earlier emails

2005-10-21T19:59:58Z

17:36 Nick to Bubba: some earlier emails

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 ==Nick Notes==
 This email was started on 6/25 in response to my phone conversation with Bubba on 6/24. I think the P.S. is referring to another call, probably Thursday, in which B said things like "what is this, suddenly we have to have mediation? this is bullshit. we've never had trouble before. c'mon, nick, this is me..." and stuff like that.

Woozle: navbar template by year; email header improvements

2005-10-16T17:20:40Z

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	{{SvsG ~~Messages Table~~}}
	=17:36 Nick to Bubba=		=17:36 Nick to Bubba=
	==Nick Notes==		==Nick Notes==
	This email was started on 6/25 in response to my phone conversation with Bubba on 6/24. I think the P.S. is referring to another call, probably Thursday, in which B said things like "what is this, suddenly we have to have mediation? this is bullshit. we've never had trouble before. c'mon, nick, this is me..." and stuff like that.		This email was started on 6/25 in response to my phone conversation with Bubba on 6/24. I think the P.S. is referring to another call, probably Thursday, in which B said things like "what is this, suddenly we have to have mediation? this is bullshit. we've never had trouble before. c'mon, nick, this is me..." and stuff like that.
	==Email==		==Email==
	~~:'''~~Date~~''':~~ Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:36:19 -0400		{{email header start}}
	~~:'''~~From~~''': "~~N. Staddon~~" <~~n~~'''at'''~~redhouse~~'''~~dot~~'''~~com>		{{hdrline\|Date\|Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:36:19 -0400}}
	~~:'''~~To~~''':~~ b~~'''at'''~~vbz~~'''dot'''~~net		{{hdrline\|From\|}}{{hdremail\|N. Staddon\|n\|redhouse\|dot\|com}}
	~~:'''~~CC~~''':~~ lynne~~'''at'''~~redhouse~~'''dot'''~~com		{{hdrline\|To\|}}{{email\|b\|vbz\|net}}
	~~:'''~~Subject~~''':~~ our discussion		{{hdrline\|CC\|}}{{email\|lynne\|redhouse\|com}}
			{{hdrline\|Subject\|our discussion}}
			{{email header stop}}
	(Typed this Wednesday, but decided to think about it for a few days before sending.)		(Typed this Wednesday, but decided to think about it for a few days before sending.)

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	=19:44 Bubba to Nick=		=19:44 Bubba to Nick=
	~~:'''~~Date~~''':~~ Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:44:30 -0400		{{email header start}}
	~~:'''~~To~~''': "~~N. Staddon~~" <~~n~~'''at'''~~redhouse~~'''dot'''~~com>		{{hdrline\|Date\|Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:44:30 -0400}}
	~~:'''~~From~~''':~~ Bubba ~~<~~b~~'''at'''~~vbz~~'''dot'''~~net~~>~~		{{hdrline\|To\|}}{{hdremail\|N. Staddon\|n\|redhouse\|com}}
	~~:'''~~Subject~~''':~~ Re: our discussion		{{hdrline\|From\|}}{{hdremail\|Bubba\|b\|vbz\|net}}
			{{hdrline\|Subject\|Re: our discussion}}
			{{email header stop}}
			Nick,

	~~Nick,~~
	In regards to your email stating that you feel that mediation is the next step in the process. It seems clear that you are not willing to go through with your initial agreement to meet after Lynne and I had been given a chance to look over the spreadsheet you sent. This would be in keeping with the "Review and Revision" (your terms) process in which you so often operate. Seems it's just another agreement up to which you will not live.		In regards to your email stating that you feel that mediation is the next step in the process. It seems clear that you are not willing to go through with your initial agreement to meet after Lynne and I had been given a chance to look over the spreadsheet you sent. This would be in keeping with the "Review and Revision" (your terms) process in which you so often operate. Seems it's just another agreement up to which you will not live.

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	From my standpoint, you have created an imaginary debt (that we have not agreed exists) based on financial records that you have not been willing or able to produce in order to justify withholding all of the money that has come into VBZ.NET since it's beginning.		From my standpoint, you have created an imaginary debt (that we have not agreed exists) based on financial records that you have not been willing or able to produce in order to justify withholding all of the money that has come into VBZ.NET since it's beginning.
	It seems unreasonable to ask us to agree to incur a "real" debt for something that we don't need to be added to an "imaginary" debt that we agreed to discuss as far as we could without adding the expense of mediation.
	We will take some time to think about this and ask that you do the same. If you are willing to pay for the mediation without expecting us to shoulder any of the costs, we would be more apt to agree to something we don't feel we need at this time.

	I agree that there may come a time where we would agree go half's on the mediation. After we have worked through the list above, that we agreed would make sense, then it might make sense to bring someone in to assist us.		It seems unreasonable to ask us to agree to incur a "real" debt for something that we don't need to be added to an "imaginary" debt that we agreed to discuss as far as we could without adding the expense of mediation. We will take some time to think about this and ask that you do the same. If you are willing to pay for the mediation without expecting us to shoulder any of the costs, we would be more apt to agree to something we don't feel we need at this time.
	The process that it will take to get that list together and hash out what we can, will take quite a bit of time. Maybe you would like to pay for that portion we agreed to do without a mediator and go from there.
			I agree that there may come a time where we would agree go half's on the mediation. After we have worked through the list above, that we agreed would make sense, then it might make sense to bring someone in to assist us. The process that it will take to get that list together and hash out what we can, will take quite a bit of time. Maybe you would like to pay for that portion we agreed to do without a mediator and go from there.

	Let me know what you think. It may be best to avoid talking until we can reach some agreement on how to proceed. Take all the time you need and we will be giving all of this some thought, as well.		Let me know what you think. It may be best to avoid talking until we can reach some agreement on how to proceed. Take all the time you need and we will be giving all of this some thought, as well.

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	==Nick Notes==		==Nick Notes==
	Soon after I received this email, several domain transfer requests arrived from godaddy.com for two domains (whose registration B had paid me back for, after using Red House's check card to pay for them initially): n2ug.com and qualtro.com. The hosting for the time they were on Red House's server had not been paid, but I allowed the transfers to go through.		Soon after I received this email, several domain transfer requests arrived from godaddy.com for two domains (whose registration B had paid me back for, after using Red House's check card to pay for them initially): n2ug.com and qualtro.com. The hosting for the time they were on Red House's server had not been paid, but I allowed the transfers to go through.

	=21:52 Bubba to Nick=		=21:52 Bubba to Nick=
	~~:'''~~Date~~''':~~ Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:52:46 -0400		{{email header start}}
	~~:'''~~To~~''': "~~N. Staddon~~" <~~n~~'''at'''~~redhouse~~'''dot'''~~com>		{{hdrline\|Date\|Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:52:46 -0400}}
	~~:'''~~From~~''':~~ Bubba ~~<~~b~~'''at'''~~vbz~~'''dot'''~~net~~>~~		{{hdrline\|To\|}}{{hdremail\|N. Staddon\|n\|redhouse\|com}}
	~~:'''~~Subject~~''':~~ images		{{hdrline\|From\|}}{{hdremail\|Bubba\|b\|vbz\|net}}
			{{hdrline\|Subject\|images}}
			{{email header stop}}
	N., does this mean that you know about the images or not?		N., does this mean that you know about the images or not?

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	=22:14 Bubba to Nick=		=22:14 Bubba to Nick=
	~~:'''~~Date~~''':~~ Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:14:30 -0400		{{email header start}}
	~~:'''~~To~~''': "~~N. Staddon~~" <~~n~~'''at'''~~redhouse~~'''dot'''~~com~~>~~		{{hdrline\|Date\|Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:14:30 -0400}}
	~~:'''~~From~~''':~~ Bubba <b~~'''at'''~~vbz~~'''dot'''~~net>		{{hdrline\|To\|}}{{hdremail\|N. Staddon\|n\|redhouse\|com}}
	~~:'''~~Subject~~''':~~ images		{{hdrline\|From\|Bubba}} <{{email\|b\|vbz\|net}}>
			{{hdrline\|Subject\|images}}
			{{email header stop}}
	N., not responding is just another control issue on YOUR part not mine.		N., not responding is just another control issue on YOUR part not mine.

Woozle: message navbar

2005-09-28T13:06:10Z

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Woozle: /* 22:14 Bubba to Nick */ moved nick notes to end

2005-08-03T17:59:10Z

22:14 Bubba to Nick: moved nick notes to end

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	=22:14 Bubba to Nick=		=22:14 Bubba to Nick=
	~~==Nick Notes==~~
	I think the "hostile"/"threatening" bit refers to our phone conversation which, sadly, was not recorded for posterity. To the best of my recollection, the only "threatening" I might have done in that conversation was to warn Bubba that he was exceeding the limits of my ability to work with him.

	~~==Email==~~
	:'''Date''': Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:14:30 -0400		:'''Date''': Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:14:30 -0400
	:'''To''': "N. Staddon" <n'''at'''redhouse'''dot'''com>		:'''To''': "N. Staddon" <n'''at'''redhouse'''dot'''com>
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	B.		B.
			==Nick Notes==
			I think the "hostile"/"threatening" bit refers to our phone conversation which, sadly, was not recorded for posterity. To the best of my recollection, the only "threatening" I might have done in that conversation was to warn Bubba that he was exceeding the limits of my ability to work with him.

Woozle: moved nick notes to end

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	=21:52 Bubba to Nick=		=21:52 Bubba to Nick=
	~~==Nick Notes==~~
	~~I think this refers to some images I finally got him to upload a couple of weeks earlier... I'll get the specifics when I put up those emails.~~

	~~==Email==~~
	:'''Date''': Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:52:46 -0400		:'''Date''': Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:52:46 -0400
	:'''To''': "N. Staddon" <n'''at'''redhouse'''dot'''com>		:'''To''': "N. Staddon" <n'''at'''redhouse'''dot'''com>
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	B.		B.
			==Nick Notes==
			I think this refers to some images I finally got him to upload a couple of weeks earlier... I'll get the specifics when I put up those emails.

	=22:14 Bubba to Nick=		=22:14 Bubba to Nick=
	==Nick Notes==		==Nick Notes==

Woozle: moved nick notes to end

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	=19:44 Bubba to Nick=		=19:44 Bubba to Nick=
	~~==Nick Notes==~~
	Soon after I received this email, several domain transfer requests arrived from godaddy.com for two domains (whose registration B had paid me back for, after using Red House's check card to pay for them initially): n2ug.com and qualtro.com. The hosting for the time they were on Red House's server had not been paid, but I allowed the transfers to go through.

	~~==Email==~~
	:'''Date''': Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:44:30 -0400		:'''Date''': Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:44:30 -0400
	:'''To''': "N. Staddon" <n'''at'''redhouse'''dot'''com>		:'''To''': "N. Staddon" <n'''at'''redhouse'''dot'''com>
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	B.		B.
			==Nick Notes==
			Soon after I received this email, several domain transfer requests arrived from godaddy.com for two domains (whose registration B had paid me back for, after using Red House's check card to pay for them initially): n2ug.com and qualtro.com. The hosting for the time they were on Red House's server had not been paid, but I allowed the transfers to go through.

	=21:52 Bubba to Nick=		=21:52 Bubba to Nick=
	==Nick Notes==		==Nick Notes==

Woozle: dated items category

2005-08-03T15:57:44Z

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	==Nick Notes==		==Nick Notes==

Woozle: /* 17:36 Nick to Bubba */ added "Nick Notes" subheader

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17:36 Nick to Bubba: added "Nick Notes" subheader

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	=17:36 Nick to Bubba=		=17:36 Nick to Bubba=
	This email was started on 6/25 in response to my phone conversation with Bubba on 6/24. I think the P.S. is referring to another call, probably Thursday, in which B said things like "what is this, suddenly we have to have mediation? this is bullshit. we've never had trouble before. c'mon, nick, this is me..." and stuff like that. ~~--[[User:Woozle\|Woozle]] 12:52, 10 Jul 2005 (EDT)~~		==Nick Notes==
			This email was started on 6/25 in response to my phone conversation with Bubba on 6/24. I think the P.S. is referring to another call, probably Thursday, in which B said things like "what is this, suddenly we have to have mediation? this is bullshit. we've never had trouble before. c'mon, nick, this is me..." and stuff like that.
	==Email==		==Email==
	:'''Date''': Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:36:19 -0400		:'''Date''': Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:36:19 -0400
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	P.S. You started calling when I was out, if it makes a difference. I really cannot talk to you without a mediator present. Please stop calling; I will not be picking up.		P.S. You started calling when I was out, if it makes a difference. I really cannot talk to you without a mediator present. Please stop calling; I will not be picking up.

	=19:44 Bubba to Nick=		=19:44 Bubba to Nick=
	==Nick Notes==		==Nick Notes==