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		<title>Woozle: /* 18:58 from Nick */ more messages and context</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;18:58 from Nick: &lt;/span&gt; more messages and context&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Woozle at 21:32, 17 February 2007</title>
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==18:58 from Nick==&lt;br /&gt;
{{email header start}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{hdrline|BCC}} {{hdremail|[[Tigger]]|tigger|redhouse|com}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{hdrline|Message-ID}} {{msgid|3DA0C02E.5020001|redhouse|com}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{hdrline|Date|Sun, 06 Oct 2002 18:58:54 -0400}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{hdrline|From}} {{hdremail|N. Staddon|n|redhouse|com}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{hdrline|To}} {{hdremail||team|vbz|net}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{hdrline|Subject|hello, hornets...}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{email header stop}}&lt;br /&gt;
Well, nothing seems to be happening with the meeting, so I thought I&amp;#039;d try &lt;br /&gt;
waving a red cape or two and see what happens...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== ---- ===&lt;br /&gt;
1) RH bank acccount balance is now -$146.75, on its way down further:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 -$146.75 current balance&lt;br /&gt;
 -$  7.95 unknown&lt;br /&gt;
 -$ 59.95 dedicated server hosting&lt;br /&gt;
 -$ 60.00 NSFs (anticipated)&lt;br /&gt;
 =======&lt;br /&gt;
 -$274.65&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== ----- ===&lt;br /&gt;
2. Adding in only the NSFs (I&amp;#039;m assuming the $7.95 is a RH charge, though I&amp;#039;m &lt;br /&gt;
not sure what it would be), the RDA now owes RH:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
July 1 Freeze:&lt;br /&gt;
: $ 89.88 if NSFs can be averted&lt;br /&gt;
: $149.88 if NSFs happen&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
June 1 Freeze:&lt;br /&gt;
: $816.01 if NSFs can be averted&lt;br /&gt;
: $876.01 if NSFs happen&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I recommend at least $300-$350 to avert any further NSFs until the order &lt;br /&gt;
deposits start coming in (expected early this week). $350 would seem highly &lt;br /&gt;
appropriate (see #3).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== ----- ===&lt;br /&gt;
3. A Stern Reminder: even if it turns out that RH did actually owe RDA the $350 &lt;br /&gt;
which started this whole mess, there was no excuse taking it out when we had not &lt;br /&gt;
agreed that RH owed it, and _absolutely_ no excuse not putting it back (or at &lt;br /&gt;
least apologizing for not being able to put it back and working out a plan to &lt;br /&gt;
deal with the resulting mess) when I made it known that I believed the debt went &lt;br /&gt;
in the other direction.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This is not, I repeat not, a reasonable way to do business with someone. &lt;br /&gt;
Especially not a friend.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== ----- ===&lt;br /&gt;
4. To further reduce the quantity of unknowns in our negotiations, I did some &lt;br /&gt;
quick&amp;#039;n&amp;#039;dirty figuring of what RDA&amp;#039;s share of profits would be since June 1, &lt;br /&gt;
just based on deposits and debits from the RH account.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In order to avoid confusion about the figuring, here is a little background:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To reiterate the standard RH artist agreement (to which the terms I gave the RDA &lt;br /&gt;
were identical, with one significant enhancement):&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For each order payment deposited:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* 20% of gross sale is retained by RH&lt;br /&gt;
* 80% of gross sale goes to client, i.e. in this case RDA&lt;br /&gt;
* client provides merchandise&lt;br /&gt;
* RH retains shipping charges and provides shipping&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
...where &amp;quot;gross sale&amp;quot; means the actual amount submitted for deposit -- e.g. if &lt;br /&gt;
we sell something for $10 but have to give a 10% discount for slow delivery, the &lt;br /&gt;
gross sale is $9. Refunds are treated as negative sales.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The deposits (upon which my q&amp;amp;d figuring is based) are, for credit card sales, &lt;br /&gt;
about 3% less than the gross amount. (They would be the actual amount for checks &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;amp; MOs.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
RDA was given a special deal wherein RH loaned RDA the money to buy the &lt;br /&gt;
merchandise as needed, with the hope that this would help the RDA to pay back &lt;br /&gt;
its then-existing Nick/RH loan of approximately $3k (itemization available). So &lt;br /&gt;
each wholesale purchase paid for by RH is an additional debt incurred by RDA on &lt;br /&gt;
this account (which I&amp;#039;m calling the &amp;quot;sales account&amp;quot;). (I&amp;#039;m not counting these as &lt;br /&gt;
part of the &amp;quot;freeze&amp;quot; figures; the &amp;quot;freeze&amp;quot; is just for money borrowed directly &lt;br /&gt;
by the RDA -- check card usages, checks written on RDA&amp;#039;s behalf, etc. -- less &lt;br /&gt;
amounts paid back directly.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Note: The merchandise still belonged (belongs) to RDA, and RDA was (is) still &lt;br /&gt;
responsible for its upkeep -- storage, security, taxes, etc. RH provided space &lt;br /&gt;
for storage at no cost (up to the point where we moved the merch to Hull Rd. &lt;br /&gt;
after the burglary). There were no specific terms covering the expense of this &lt;br /&gt;
storage, and no guarantees of security were made; it was a temporary arrangement.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We also agreed that no cash disbursals from sales could occur (even if RDA&amp;#039;s &lt;br /&gt;
debt was entirely paid off) until RH had the cash to spare. I&amp;#039;m quite sure I &lt;br /&gt;
made a point of mentioning this, but in any case it should be obvious; can&amp;#039;t get &lt;br /&gt;
water from dry well.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Anyway, what I found was that the RDA&amp;#039;s sales account with RH has a net loss of &lt;br /&gt;
$206.36 since June 1. This means that RH spent $206.36 more, purchasing &lt;br /&gt;
merchandise for the RDA, than the RDA would have gained from its 80% of the &lt;br /&gt;
returns from sales.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In other words, even if you figure in sales since June 1, RDA *still* owes RH. &lt;br /&gt;
In fact, it owes $206.36 more, if we were to settle up for the merchandise.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(I&amp;#039;m not asking for that. I&amp;#039;m just asking the RDA to find a way to get the RH &lt;br /&gt;
bank account out of the trouble they got it into. We&amp;#039;ll settle up later.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I should add that there are probably some months where RDA&amp;#039;s sales balance was &lt;br /&gt;
positive, and may have even posted some gains against their initial debt to RH; &lt;br /&gt;
this balance, if it (still) exists, can start being disbursed when RH has enough &lt;br /&gt;
money in its bank account to continue operating in a reasonable manner (as deter &lt;br /&gt;
mined by its financial officer(s)) once such disbursals are made. I look forward &lt;br /&gt;
to that happening. It certainly can&amp;#039;t happen when RH&amp;#039;s balance is negative.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Guess that&amp;#039;s all for now... and that&amp;#039;s the bulk of my agenda for this meeting, too.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the record, I still don&amp;#039;t have Lynne&amp;#039;s figurings. I understood they would be &lt;br /&gt;
in here on my original ETA, Tuesday, since she couldn&amp;#039;t email them to me.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
TTY soon,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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