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Woozle: /* 11:58 from Nick */ full headers for Lynne's email; gave it a separate entry; Bubba's djembe email

2007-02-19T22:12:32Z

11:58 from Nick: full headers for Lynne's email; gave it a separate entry; Bubba's djembe email

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			{{email header start}}
			{{hdrline\|Message-ID}}{{msgid\|3D9869A8.8020402\|redhouse\|com}}
			{{hdrline\|Date\|Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:11:36 -0400}}
			{{hdrline\|From}}{{hdremail\|Lynne G.\|lynne\|redhouse\|com}}
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			{{hdrline\|To}}{{hdremail\|N. Staddon\|n\|redhouse\|com}}, {{email\|bubba\|redhouse\|com}}, {{email\|lynne\|redhouse\|com}}
			{{hdrline\|Subject\|Re: deposit?}}
			{{hdrline\|References}}{{msgid\|3D984108.2010304\|redhouse\|com}}
			{{email header stop}}
			Nick,

			The difference between your figuring and mine is very big. Although I am totally up to hearing what you have to say... this has gotten extremely costly to us, from where I see the figures... to wait for this meeting.

			From my standpoint, RDA put money in the bank to place an order (actually 2 orders) with the understanding that when the cards were processed we would get it back in time to cover our bills. To make a long story short, which I really need to do when I have to type everything I have to say, it never became time to get that money back and now you say we owe Red House money. I've had to continue to use the card and the account to juggle things back and forth ever since that time to try to compensate for the fact that we never got the $1,000 back (that was for our bills) that we put in temporarily for those orders.

			You were going to be back almost a month ago to go over all of this and now after it's compounded even further... you say you want to deal with it in email and in the meantime I should keep putting money in the bank to cover the balance. You've taken my name off of the account and changed the password to the online deal and email me that I need to put more in.

			I don't understand your figures. It looks like all of the money that came in to pay us back for the money we put in to cover the orders... you credited to Red House because that's where those credits usually go. I cannot take the time that it would take to reach understanding about all of this through this typing back and forth process.

			I'm thinking that you do not understand that trying to keep the RH account positive has put RDA's balance almost $400 in the negative. I put money into RH instead of RDA's before the weekend just after paying yet another 0474 phone bill without help on the 2 lines RH is supposed to be helping on. Your reasoning is that I'm supposed to go back and forth through email to figure out what you would owe on the bills through because you haven't had time for a conversation about it since March. So, since I haven't had time to go over this in email since March(partially because of a whole bunch of other stuff that has had to be handled through email since March)... RDA has had to just cover it all based on that you will be back to have the discussions about the agreements soon... that is, until you decided that it was ALL going to have to be in email.

			Every time that I have to stop and do this it takes outrageous amounts of time to type and respond, type-wait-respond. I don't have time to do things this way and neither do you. You've given up paying jobs because you don't have time to do the work, but yet you think you have time to type for hours and days instead of having brief conversations, in person. You used to take notes. You've always had a hard time remembering what we talked about so you kept a notebook and a small note pad from which you would transcribe into the notebook. It worked fine. Nobody had to transcribe hours of tapes. Nobody would have agreed to enter into a relationship with a person who expected that of them.

			Please assume that RH owes way more than $108.xx for over 6 months of phone bills and cover what's needed in the SunTrust account. If you don't have the money, please understand that I don't either. I need to pay the storage units and electric and bring a -400 balance positive in our account and cover it all with no help from RH because we haven't sat down to make any agreements on it.

			I'm trying to be as clear and low energy as I can be... I just have a very high level of frustration with the demands on my time being what they are and having to type everything I want to convey. It feels like a total lack of respect for my time, on your part.

			I feel like you are painting yourself in a corner with walls to protect yourself that have become barriers to the success of RH, your life, and that suck the life out of anyone (including my husband, best friend and business partner) who has to go to these extremes to accommodate this time management fiasco. Bubba spends hours on icq with you on issues that could be handled in 5 minutes in person. I feel like I'm being robbed of my time and that Bubba's reality has become sucked into this surreal vortex-of-sorts, where reason is lost and typing is King.

			Well, that's all I have time to type. Actually, I've typed way longer than I had to type... I'm late as hell with what I had originally planned to do with the time I spent typing and I will get a response whenever you feel like sending it and will be able to read it whenever I have time and if I have time to answer it then, I will, and if not... you'll either think I'm avoiding your response or the subject will have changed and none of this will even be discussed again for weeks. If the discussion resumes... we would probably start over rather than go back to re-coup the content of the emails. But that will be okay because it wouldn't take that long to SAY it in the second place. It just took on ungodly amount of time to TYPE in the first place.

			Lynne
			==11:58 from Nick==
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	{{~~quoteon~~}}~~Nick~~,		''contents of [[#11:11 from Lynne]]''
			==20:15 from Bubba==
	~~The difference between your figuring and mine is very big~~. ~~Although I am totally up to hearing what you have to say~~..~~. this has gotten extremely costly to us, from where I see the figures... to wait for this meeting.~~		{{email header start}}
			{{hdrline\|Message-ID}}{{msgid\|3D98E923.3020505\|vbz\|net}}
	~~From my standpoint, RDA put money in the bank to place an order (actually 2 orders) with the understanding that when the cards were processed we would get it back in time to cover our bills.~~ To ~~make a long story short, which I really need to do when I have to type everything I have to say, it never became time to get that money back and now you say we owe Red House money~~. I've had to continue to use the card and the account to juggle things back and forth ever since that time to try to compensate for the fact that we never got the $1,000 back (that was for our bills) that we put in temporarily for those orders.		{{hdrline\|Date\|Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:15:31 -0400}}
			{{hdrline\|From\|Bubba}}<{{email\|b\|vbz\|net}}>
	~~You were going to be back almost a month ago to go over all of this and now after it's compounded even further... you say you want to deal with it in~~ email ~~and in the meantime I should keep putting money in the bank to cover the balance~~. ~~You've taken my~~ name ~~off~~ of ~~the account and changed the password~~ to ~~the online deal and email me that I need to put more in.~~		{{hdrline\|User-Agent\|Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530}}
			{{hdrline\|To}}{{hdremail\|N.\|N.\|vbz\|net}}
	~~I don~~'~~t understand your figures. It looks like all of the money that came in to pay us back~~ for ~~the money we put in to cover the orders... you credited to Red House because that~~'s ~~where those credits usually go. I cannot take the time that it would take to reach understanding about all of this through this typing back~~ and ~~forth process~~.		{{hdrline\|Subject\|Earth Tribe Percussion}}
			{{email header stop}}
	~~I'm thinking that you do not understand that trying to keep the RH account positive has put RDA~~'s ~~balance almost $400 in the negative. I put money into RH instead~~ of ~~RDA's before the weekend just after paying yet another 0474 phone bill without help on the 2 lines RH is supposed to be helping on. Your reasoning is that I'm supposed to go back~~ and ~~forth through email to figure out what you would owe on the bills through because you haven't had time for a conversation about it since March~~. So, since I haven't had time to go over this in email since March (partially because of a whole bunch of other stuff that has had to be handled through email since March)... RDA has had to just cover it all based on that you will be back to have the discussions about the agreements soon... that is, until you decided that it was ALL going to have to be in email.		N., [{{faint\|contact name redacted}}] of Earth Tribe Percussion says to just use any #'s for catalog #'s and prices. Just use different #'s for different sizes of drums and such. Ex. Djembe-12" $300, 13" $350, and 14" $400 and the special Djembe $450 or $500 and so on for all the drums.

	~~Every time that I have to stop and do this it takes outrageous amounts of time to type and respond, type~~-~~wait-respond. I don't have time to do things this way and neither do you. You've given up paying jobs because you don't have time to do the work~~, ~~but yet you think you have time to type for hours and days instead of having brief conversations~~, ~~in person. You used to take notes. You've always had a hard time remembering what we talked about so you kept a notebook~~ and a small note pad from which you would transcribe into the notebook. It worked fine. Nobody had to transcribe hours of tapes. Nobody would have agreed to enter into a relationship with a person who expected that of them.

	~~Please assume that RH owes way more than~~ $~~108.xx for over 6 months of phone bills~~ and ~~cover what's needed in~~ the ~~SunTrust account. If you don't have the money, please understand that I don't either. I need to pay the storage units~~ and ~~electric and bring a -400 balance positive in our account and cover it~~ all ~~with no help from RH because we haven't sat down to make any agreements on it~~.

	I'~~m trying to be as clear and low energy as~~ I ~~can be... I just have~~ a ~~very high level of frustration with the demands on my time being what they are and having to type everything I want to convey. It feels like a total lack of respect for my time, on your part~~.		We only have images from his site and I've told him that I'll need larger for a "Real" site.

	I feel like you are painting yourself in a corner with walls to protect yourself that have become barriers to the success of RH, your life, and that suck the life out of anyone (including my husband, best friend and business partner) who has to go to these extremes to accommodate this time management fiasco. Bubba spends hours on icq with you on issues that could be handled in 5 minutes in person. I feel like I'm ~~being robbed of my time and that Bubba's reality has become sucked into this surreal vortex-of-sorts, where reason is lost and typing is King.~~		I'm uploading images now.

	Well, that's all I have time to type. Actually, I've typed way longer than I had to type... I'm late as hell with what I had originally planned to do with the time I spent typing and I will get a response whenever you feel like sending it and will be able to read it whenever I have time and if I have time to answer it then, I will, and if not... you'll either think I'm avoiding your response or the subject will have changed and none of this will even be discussed again for weeks. If the discussion resumes... we would probably start over rather than go back to re-coup the content of the emails. But that will be okay because it wouldn't take that long to SAY it in the second place. It just took on ungodly amount of time to TYPE in the first place.

	~~Lynne{{quoteoff}}~~		B.

Woozle: navbar template by year; email header improvements

2005-10-16T16:52:40Z

navbar template by year; email header improvements

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	* Attached: "The Small Balancing Act 2002.xls"		* Attached: "The Small Balancing Act 2002.xls"
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	~~:'''~~BCC~~''':~~ {{emailnolink\|harena\|redhouse\|com}}		{{email header start}}
	~~:'''~~Message-ID~~''':~~ {{msgid\|3D984108.2010304\|redhouse\|com}}		{{hdrline\|BCC\|}}{{emailnolink\|harena\|redhouse\|com}}
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	~~:'''~~CC~~''':~~ {{~~emailnolink~~\|bubba\|redhouse\|com}}		{{hdrline\|To\|}}{{hdremail\|Lynne G.\|lynne\|redhouse\|com}}
	~~:'''~~Subject~~''':~~ deposit?		{{hdrline\|CC\|}}{{email\|bubba\|redhouse\|com}}
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	Lynne,		Lynne,

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	~~:'''~~From~~''': "~~N. Staddon~~" <{{emailnolink~~\|n\|redhouse\|com}}~~>~~		{{hdrline\|Date\|Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:58:09 -0400\|}}
	~~:'''~~To~~''': "~~Lynne G.~~" <{{emailnolink~~\|lynne\|redhouse\|com}}~~>~~		{{hdrline\|From\|}}{{hdremail\|N. Staddon\|n\|redhouse\|com}}
	~~:'''~~CC~~''':~~ {{~~emailnolink~~\|bubba\|redhouse\|com}}		{{hdrline\|To\|}}{{hdremail\|Lynne G.\|lynne\|redhouse\|com}}
	~~:'''~~Subject~~''':~~ Re: deposit?		{{hdrline\|CC\|}}{{email\|bubba\|redhouse\|com}}
	~~:'''~~References~~''':~~ {{msgid\|3D984108.2010304\|redhouse\|com}}; {{msgid\|3D9869A8.8020402\|redhouse\|com}}		{{hdrline\|Subject\|Re: deposit?}}
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	Please show me your figuring. If this $1000 was deposited after July 1, then I definitely don't see it. If it was before, then please give me a date (and the exact amount, if it wasn't exactly $1k) and I will attempt to reconcile it with what I have on record.		Please show me your figuring. If this $1000 was deposited after July 1, then I definitely don't see it. If it was before, then please give me a date (and the exact amount, if it wasn't exactly $1k) and I will attempt to reconcile it with what I have on record.

Woozle: another email from Nick

2005-10-15T16:49:53Z

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 Please show me your figuring. If this $1000 was deposited after July 1, then I definitely don't see it. If it was before, then please give me a date (and the exact amount, if it wasn't exactly $1k) and I will attempt to reconcile it with what I have on record.

Woozle at 16:37, 15 October 2005

2005-10-15T16:37:57Z

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:'''Date''': Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:58:09 -0400
:'''From''': "N. Staddon" <{{emailnolink|n|redhouse|com}}>
:'''To''': "Lynne G." <{{emailnolink|lynne|redhouse|com}}>
:'''CC''': {{emailnolink|bubba|redhouse|com}}
:'''Subject''': Re: deposit?
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Please show me your figuring. If this $1000 was deposited after July 1, then I definitely don't see it. If it was before, then please give me a date (and the exact amount, if it wasn't exactly $1k) and I will attempt to reconcile it with what I have on record.

It may be that I assumed the $1000 was to go towards past-due rental on the Benz, which is now well up in the thousands. The Benz rental, if you recall, was to be kept seperate from anything RDA, RH, or Nick owed each other -- so it still doesn't seem an unreasonable assumption. It's certainly more reasonable than taking $350 which wasn't there to begin with for a debt which everyone has agreed to hold off settling until the figures can be worked out.

I also might have assumed it was a return of the $1000 you borrowed back in December. That, too, would seem like a reasonable assumption.

If you put money in and expected to get it back, you should have sent me an email when it happened so we would have some kind of written record of those expectations. I cannot emphasize this enough -- expectations = email.

I'm not saying you shouldn't expect to get it back -- but why didn't you raise the issue of this supposed $1k when I first gave you the spreadsheet? It obviously wouldn't be fair to use July 1 as a "freeze date" if you had just put a large amount of money in before that.

I have to assume that this will all become clear when I see your figures.

I don't want to hear that RH owes you for the phone lines; I want to know how much and for what. Send me a bill, and if I don't dispute it I will include it in the larger figuring and if appropriate work out a short-term payment plan.

IMPORTANT POINT: A debt is not effective until a bill is received. Even an informal bill would have done, if you had started sending me what RH owes for the phones when I first asked you to, which was when we first merged the phone lines. I did no less for you when I was covering the bills for your phone lines. You can't expect to just let charges accumulate to ridiculous proportions without telling me how much and then expect to get it all back at once. Charter Comm tried that, and you agreed that it was completely unreasonable. (At least they weren't *aware* they were doing it; what's your excuse?)

What I don't have time for is doing things in conversations where nothing seems to get resolved in a way that I can understand and I apparently make agreements I don't remember making. All this extra time we are spending now is *digging
out* of the problems caused by undocumented agreements.

I want everything of significance written down from here on out, even if we decide things in a conversation. The decision may happen in conversation, but unless someone takes it upon themselves to make a record of the decision, it might as well not have happened. This is standard business practice as well as being my preference -- plus we keep running into examples of how failure to write things down is causing these disputes and hurting everyone by leading to mistaken expectations -- so I don't understand why you're fighting it.

But you answered my main question when you said "I don't have it".

Thanks,

N.

Lynne G. wrote:
{{quoteon}}Nick,

The difference between your figuring and mine is very big. Although I am totally up to hearing what you have to say... this has gotten extremely costly to us, from where I see the figures... to wait for this meeting.

From my standpoint, RDA put money in the bank to place an order (actually 2 orders) with the understanding that when the cards were processed we would get it back in time to cover our bills. To make a long story short, which I really need to do when I have to type everything I have to say, it never became time to get that money back and now you say we owe Red House money. I've had to continue to use the card and the account to juggle things back and forth ever since that time to try to compensate for the fact that we never got the $1,000 back (that was for our bills) that we put in temporarily for those orders.

You were going to be back almost a month ago to go over all of this and now after it's compounded even further... you say you want to deal with it in email and in the meantime I should keep putting money in the bank to cover the balance. You've taken my name off of the account and changed the password to the online deal and email me that I need to put more in.

I don't understand your figures. It looks like all of the money that came in to pay us back for the money we put in to cover the orders... you credited to Red House because that's where those credits usually go. I cannot take the time that it would take to reach understanding about all of this through this typing back and forth process.

I'm thinking that you do not understand that trying to keep the RH account positive has put RDA's balance almost $400 in the negative. I put money into RH instead of RDA's before the weekend just after paying yet another 0474 phone bill without help on the 2 lines RH is supposed to be helping on. Your reasoning is that I'm supposed to go back and forth through email to figure out what you would owe on the bills through because you haven't had time for a conversation about it since March. So, since I haven't had time to go over this in email since March (partially because of a whole bunch of other stuff that has had to be handled through email since March)... RDA has had to just cover it all based on that you will be back to have the discussions about the agreements soon... that is, until you decided that it was ALL going to have to be in email.

Every time that I have to stop and do this it takes outrageous amounts of time to type and respond, type-wait-respond. I don't have time to do things this way and neither do you. You've given up paying jobs because you don't have time to do the work, but yet you think you have time to type for hours and days instead of having brief conversations, in person. You used to take notes. You've always had a hard time remembering what we talked about so you kept a notebook and a small note pad from which you would transcribe into the notebook. It worked fine. Nobody had to transcribe hours of tapes. Nobody would have agreed to enter into a relationship with a person who expected that of them.

Please assume that RH owes way more than $108.xx for over 6 months of phone bills and cover what's needed in the SunTrust account. If you don't have the money, please understand that I don't either. I need to pay the storage units and electric and bring a -400 balance positive in our account and cover it all with no help from RH because we haven't sat down to make any agreements on it.

I'm trying to be as clear and low energy as I can be... I just have a very high level of frustration with the demands on my time being what they are and having to type everything I want to convey. It feels like a total lack of respect for my time, on your part.

I feel like you are painting yourself in a corner with walls to protect yourself that have become barriers to the success of RH, your life, and that suck the life out of anyone (including my husband, best friend and business partner) who has to go to these extremes to accommodate this time management fiasco. Bubba spends hours on icq with you on issues that could be handled in 5 minutes in person. I feel like I'm being robbed of my time and that Bubba's reality has become sucked into this surreal vortex-of-sorts, where reason is lost and typing is King.

Well, that's all I have time to type. Actually, I've typed way longer than I had to type... I'm late as hell with what I had originally planned to do with the time I spent typing and I will get a response whenever you feel like sending it and will be able to read it whenever I have time and if I have time to answer it then, I will, and if not... you'll either think I'm avoiding your response or the subject will have changed and none of this will even be discussed again for weeks. If the discussion resumes... we would probably start over rather than go back to re-coup the content of the emails. But that will be okay because it wouldn't take that long to SAY it in the second place. It just took on ungodly amount of time to TYPE in the first place.

Lynne{{quoteoff}}